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cjw957
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well 4 of us got ours yesterday and we love them, JD airsoft downgraded them while we waited to about 335-340 and they shoot sweet , word of warning thou don't use 11.1 lipo on them just 7.4 as they not set up for it and they misfire and go full auto but 7.4 no problem whats so ever and fire sweet :)




 
Posted : 01/03/2013 3:06 pm
ww2stu
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Yes after speaking to a mate of mine quite a big design flaw with the gun.

If the casting was spot on, or they used a different fire select method it would work great but if the gearbox is allowed to cycle too fast it will cause it to fire twice or go full auto.

You can stop this by:
Using a 8.4v or 7.2v standard battery.
Using a slower motor (you won't be able to put a faster RPM.)
Putting a bigger spring inside
Putting really big brutish gears inside. (prometheus anyone?)

How ever this will give you a slightly slower trigger responce time, if noticable i dont know.

At least its a fix. :good:

 
Posted : 01/03/2013 11:08 pm
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Again, it reinforces my first view. Not enough r&d. Take note manufactures.


 
Posted : 01/03/2013 11:29 pm
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Why would you need a higher voltage battery or a faster RPM? It is only single shot.

 
Posted : 02/03/2013 8:32 am
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well like most ics guns set up for 7.4 lipo and they fire sweet on this , they dont take account of the 11.1 and as some one said would not even need for this gun , thou on a 7.4 its not skipped a beat thou the mags may need to breaking in as we were finding they were closer to 30 shots than 42 thou only tested the one int he gun not tried any of the others yet , roll on the 23rd can give it a good test :)

but loving it :)




 
Posted : 02/03/2013 2:35 pm
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I'm still waiting to test mine.


 
Posted : 02/03/2013 2:47 pm
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Why would you need a higher voltage battery or a faster RPM? It is only single shot.

Because you can potentially pull the trigger quicker between shots. While having low voltage you might double tap and only 1 round comes out.

Stu

 
Posted : 03/03/2013 5:16 pm
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Hmmm... i'd say limiting the RoF would probably make it more realistic and fairer when used against bolt action rifles.

 
Posted : 03/03/2013 5:33 pm
ww2stu
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Hmmm... i'd say limiting the RoF would probably make it more realistic and fairer when used against bolt action rifles.

Im sure the germans when facing M1's, and Carbine's thought the same thing! :giggle:

 
Posted : 03/03/2013 5:39 pm
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it's OK, so long as the mag has only 8 bbs in it - firing quickly has an associated disadvantage then and would force some teamwork as the 8 rounds can go fast.

 
Posted : 03/03/2013 5:43 pm
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it's OK, so long as the mag has only 8 bbs in it - firing quickly has an associated disadvantage then and would force some teamwork as the 8 rounds can go fast.

Thats fine as long as Jerry only has 5 to reply with 8)

 
Posted : 03/03/2013 5:48 pm
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Im sure the germans when facing M1's, and Carbine's thought the same thing! :giggle:

We do even in airsoft terms when facing a semi auto with a bolt action :wink:

But much preferable to facing yet another Thompson :whistle:

 
Posted : 03/03/2013 5:53 pm
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Hmmm... i'd say limiting the RoF would probably make it more realistic and fairer when used against bolt action rifles.

You could fire the M1 literally as quick as you could pull the trigger.

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Posted : 03/03/2013 7:58 pm
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Hmmm... i'd say limiting the RoF would probably make it more realistic and fairer when used against bolt action rifles.

You could fire the M1 literally as quick as you could pull the trigger.

Well, there must be some time required to cycle....

According to wiki , 50 aimed shots a minute in the hands of "trained soldier", less than one a second. Don't know about poorly aimed shots, though.

 
Posted : 03/03/2013 8:49 pm
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It's only like the cycle of any weapon, a fraction of a second. As long as the trigger moves back in to the pre-pulled position it will fire again immediately. If it will fire 50 'aimed' shots a minute imagine how fast you can fire an 8 round clip without aiming 'well'.

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Posted : 03/03/2013 9:42 pm
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It's only like the cycle of any weapon, a fraction of a second. As long as the trigger moves back in to the pre-pulled position it will fire again immediately. If it will fire 50 'aimed' shots a minute imagine how fast you can fire an 8 round clip without aiming 'well'.

Have you ever fired a real M1? I have. You could not get 50 properly aimed shots a minute, what with the reload time and the heavy recoil of the weapon. I do, however, concur, that you can burn through a full clip VERY quickly.

I would be more than happy to load my Tanaka K98 with 5 rounds per mag, if M1 users loaded theirs to 8. On a general point, I'm inclined to agree with Imp about this airsoft replica. A bit more r&d could have produced something really special and ICS have missed the boat slightly. Still a step in the right direction though. WW2 airsofters will always moan about the lack of a particular weapon and then moan about it when someone actually brings one out!



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Posted : 03/03/2013 10:14 pm
ww2stu
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It's only like the cycle of any weapon, a fraction of a second. As long as the trigger moves back in to the pre-pulled position it will fire again immediately. If it will fire 50 'aimed' shots a minute imagine how fast you can fire an 8 round clip without aiming 'well'.

Have you ever fired a real M1? I have. You could not get 50 properly aimed shots a minute, what with the reload time and the heavy recoil of the weapon. I do, however, concur, that you can burn through a full clip VERY quickly.

I would be more than happy to load my Tanaka K98 with 5 rounds per mag, if M1 users loaded theirs to 8. On a general point, I'm inclined to agree with Imp about this airsoft replica. A bit more r&d could have produced something really special and ICS have missed the boat slightly. Still a step in the right direction though. WW2 airsofters will always moan about the lack of a particular weapon and then moan about it when someone actually brings one out!

Very true! Lets be happy we have a Skirmishable M1 for now! and the G&G garand was meant to be originally released in FEB. Wonder how long it is till we see it?

And M1's (from a wiki I know not the most realiable source) The rifle's ability to rapidly fire powerful .30-06 rifle ammunition also proved to be of considerable advantage in combat. In China, Japanese banzai charges had previously met with frequent success against poorly trained Chinese soldiers armed with bolt-action rifles. Armed with the M1, U.S. infantrymen were able to sustain a much higher rate of fire than their Chinese counterparts. In the short-range jungle fighting, where opposing forces sometimes met each other in column formation on a narrow path, the penetration of the powerful .30-06 M2 cartridge enabled a single U.S. infantryman to kill up to three Japanese soldiers with a single round.[30] The Garand's fire rate in the hands of a trained soldier, averaged out to 40–50 accurate shots per minute at a range of 300 yards, making it the single fastest-firing service rifle of any nation by a wide margin.

and lets not forget the Bolt action users out there!

Mad minute was a pre-World War I term used by British riflemen during training to describe scoring 15 hits onto a 12" round target at 300 yd (274.3 m) within one minute using a bolt-action rifle (usually a Lee-Enfield or Lee-Metford rifle). It was not uncommon during the First World War for riflemen to greatly exceed this score. Many riflemen could average 30+ shots, while the record, set in 1914 by Sergeant Instructor Alfred Snoxall was 38 hits.[1] During the Battle of Mons, it was rumored that a company of assaulting German soldiers reported that they had faced machine gun fire, while in fact it was a rifle squad of ten men firing at this rate.

 
Posted : 03/03/2013 10:43 pm
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Have any of the new owners of these Garands had a good test yet as to distance, power, accuracy etc. What are they like??

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Posted : 21/03/2013 7:07 pm
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Not yet. Mine chronos at 350 fps.


 
Posted : 21/03/2013 7:47 pm
William
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Used mine for the first time today. Range was good but I must say only about the same as my Cyber gun Thompson. BUT by the end of the day the wood was starting to split where the grip meets the metal on top (by the serial number). I used it 3 games out of 6 (using my Thompson on the other games). On closer inspection there is a split by the trigger guard and where the mag goes in. These were not there when I got it about a month ago, so I can only think that it happened today during game play. I must say that when you fire it there is a good hard clank from the piston inside so my only thought is that the wood is not strong enough. I'm not a happy chappie at the mo but have e-mailed Firesupport, so hopefully they can help.
Hope this is only a one off.
Good luck all.

Could you post some pictures of these splits in your garand stock please?

 
Posted : 27/03/2013 7:44 pm
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